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On a broad stroke, allow me to put down in writing why you may have lost a general perspective of the New Covenant Versus the Old Covenant and the Torah.

1. Believers in Jesus are not under the Law of Moses (Torah)

In 1 Corinthians 8:20-21, Paul wrote,

"20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law."

Paul here tells us here definitively that he himself is not under the Law (the Torah), when he was talking about preaching to the Jews (v 20).

So believers in Jesus are no longer under the Law of Moses (the Torah).

So the issue of how much or how little we need to do to observe the Torah as if it applied to believers of Jesus is therefore a non-issue.

2. Believers in Jesus are now under Christ's Law.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 8:21 that he is not lawless, but is now under the Law of Christ.

The Law of Christ would comprise all that Jesus taught as well as the revelation He gave by His Spirit to the other New Testament writers.

3. We are living in the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31, when we believed in Jesus.

It says in Jeremiah 31:31 that God will make a New Covenant with Israel and Judah.

God also says in Jeremiah 31:33-34, that under this New Covenant,

“33 I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.

I will be their God, and they will be my people.

34 No longer will they teach their neighbour, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,”

This is confirmed in the giving of the Holy Spirit to all believers in Jesus, whereby the Holy Spirit will lead us into "ALL TRUTH" (John 16:13).

If you read God's word, you can depend on the Holy Spirit to teach you all truths, and you will not need to tell one another, "Know the Lord."

Likewise, John confirms in 1 John 2, that we will know the truth because we have the Holy Spirit in us (the anointing), and therefore we do not need anyone to teach us, because the Holy Spirit teaches us ALL THINGS, as seen here below:

1 JOHN 2:20, 27

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.

27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things….

4. For new believers or carnal believers, God has set up teachers in the Church to teach the believers basic truths of God's salvation, as per Ephesians 4:11.

However, God expects and wants all believers to grow to maturity in Christ with a deep walk with the Holy Spiri so that they know all truth, as promised in the words of Jesus, and will not be deceived.

The lack of success in most churches and believers in their growth in Jesus, therefore resulting in a shallow walk with the Holy Spirit, and therefore not understanding God's truths for this hour, does not negate the fact that we are living in the New Covenant as promised in Jeremiah 31:31, and fulfilled by the coming of Jesus as our Passover Lamb.

SHALOM.

Laura Bartnick's avatar

Fearsome! This is the first discussion I've read regarding what the Old and New Covenant are since I ditched dispensationalism. You are right in that most Christians I know believe Jesus paid it all. They, we, serve the Lord by serving others and by love and morality as embodied in the Ten Commandments, but we all believe that it is impossible not to sin, and that is exactly why we need a savior, The Savior. I appreciate your zeal, John, and your research. I've added your book to my Amazon cart. But, as you said in the comments, I will need to reread this article to really absorb it. Right now, I'm wondering where you go as far as the Gentiles inclusion in the cross of Yeshua-Jesus, the Christ. Would you call us all the ungodly because our cornerstone is Christ and Christ alone? For several years now, and maybe because I was a paralegal, I have seen the benefits of obeying good law, law meant for the welfare of all and the purity of an individual. I believe that the law is applicable to us today even though we are saved, and the reason I hold to this is not for salvation, but for the love of God and building his kingdom. Our gratitude, our testimony, our love for God. However, I have only been able to understand the Ten Commandments to be like our federal and state statutes pertaining to our nation, only the Commandment of God are for God's Kingdom, his people, and we are to bless our nation by adhering to God's laws in our time and culture/nation. Then, the rest of the Torah is understood to me to be like case law that interprets the statutes per culture and time and situation. I have understood God's precepts to be "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of slavery" like a whereas clause in a contract, or the Micah passage, "He has shown you, oh man, what is good and what the Lord requires of you, but to do justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." The fact that I even adhere to the above convictions has caused a lot of division in how I practice my faith and how other Christians practice theirs. And, although I believe the Sabbath is to be honored, I have not yet been successful in adhering to it in our culture. The best that I can achieve is to "enter into his rest" as in Hebrews, or to "Be still and know that I am God" as I go about the pragmatics of my day. As the Psalmist wrote, "I have lived too long among the tents of hate." So, yes, I am a conflicted believer seeking the way of truth and still knowing where I belong in my relationship with God. I flinch reading about those Christians who are rebellious to the Torah being lost, but I don't believe I am one. Still, I am growing and learning, so please do what you can to explain yourself more here? Also, there is a pragmatic question about the (rebellious/ungodly/Israeli and Judean) lives lost between the engagement/marriage at Mt. Siani and the culmination of the bride being taken back.

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